Which Lenses Should I Buy For My C100, C300?
When I got the Canon C300 EF at work and recently bought a C100 for myself, I had the same question we all have. What lenses to buy? I got lucky when I rented the C100 for seven days to shoot a series of news image spots. I already owned a few Canon lenses that I bought for my original 5D stills DSLR. Great camera.
I didn’t have many. The Canon 24-105 IS F4 L, Canon 70-200 F4 L and the fast, cheap, but very sharp Canon 50mm F1.8. I supplemented with a Zeiss 85mm ZF F1.4 with a Nikon to EF adapter from Fotodiox. It worked very well, and the Zeiss is a sharp, fast lens. A favorite of mine. The Zeiss is also available in an EF mount as a ZE version. I bought the Nikon mount because I used it with an AF-100, and the focus rotation would match my other Nikon mount lenses. This drives me crazy that Nikon chose to have the focus rotation direction go the opposite direction than all other lenses. Why? I have no idea. Nowadays, I decided to move away from Nikon mount lenses and have sold all my Nikon lenses.
Owning the AF-100 and GH cameras, I experimented with different lenses to find the right ones. It’s hard to figure out since the crop factor for MFT and s35 sensors are different. With MFT, your full-frame 50mm has a field of view of 100mm to get a normal 50mm. You need a 25mm full-frame lens. Then the lack of shallow depth of field kicks in with a 25mm wide-angle lens. S35 is a little bigger, so you get more from your full-frame lenses. Add about 15mm to your lens to get a good idea of the field of view. I also have native MFT lenses for my GH3/AF-100 that won’t work on the Canon Cinema EOS cameras. So what lenses should I get? Here is a list and why I like them. Everybody has different needs for what they shot, so keep this in mind when looking for the right lenses to buy.
Shoot handheld a lot? Get IS. I recommend you rent the ones you are not sure about. It’s cheap to rent and will give you the confidence that you’re making a good decision. Lenses are a good investment. They will outlast the camera you have now unless you move to a totally different mount like PL. I say dont buy cheap lenses. It’s worth it to buy once and be happy. Not to say there aren’t good third-party lenses. There are. Again Zeiss is fantastic, and Tokina makes a great and one of the sharpest ultra-wide zooms available. The Tokina 11-16. I like to look at Canon lenses first and see if another brand has something interesting.
Canon usually cost more, but they will last a long time, yield top-notch results, and hold their value better. Zooms are a good choice for digital cinema cameras. It’s a pain to change lenses if you need to move quickly constantly. The issue with zooms is they generally have a lower IQ than primes, so that’s why getting a good one is important.
If I was going to buy today, these are the ones I would consider and some I would dream of getting. Let’s start with the zooms.
Zoom Lenses
Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM
The Canon 24-105 is a great lens for handheld and run-and-gun documentary shooting. Pretty darn sharp and has a nice range. It’s parfocal, but you have to zoom to 105mm and focus, then pull back, and your good. I use this lens a lot. Great for interviews when you need to change the framing during an interview for variety.
Nothing worse when a producer asked you to widen the shot with a fixed lens attached. The speed is only F4 but wide open. It looks excellent, and the DOF is easy to control at F4. If I need a more shallow look, just shoot at 85mm or 105mm. The Cinema EOS Cameras are so light-sensitive and have a very clean High ISO that F4 really isn’t a concern.
Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM
Another very sharp lens with IS. I own the older non IS version and would love to upgrade to this one, but to be honest, I dont handhold with a lens this long. I would use the Canon 24-105. The 70-200 focal range is a standard and will give y0u a nice reach when needed. Has nice bokeh and contrast. Top-notch! The faster and heavier F2.8 is also a great lens, but it’s bigger and heavier. If you dont need the speed, then go for the F4. If you have the 24-105, then the Canon 70-200 F2.8 IS version might give you another option for low light shooting but at a premium since it’s an expensive lens.
Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM
Very popular standard zoom lens. This isn’t an L lens but has a constant F2.8 aperture. I wouldn’t buy a lens that doesn’t. What a pain getting the proper exposure when the F-stop changes in the zoom range. Has IS, and it’s fast. I have heard that the focus ring is a problem, so that it could be an issue. Also, the lens seems to collect dust inside easier than most. Another option is the EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM. It doesn’t have IS and is shorter on the zoom end, but IQ is excellent and heck! It’s an L lens.
The Tokina AT-X 116 PRO DX-II 11-16mm 11MM-16MM f/2.8 Lens for Canon Mount is also an excellent choice, and it’s a better value if you are short on cash. $699 for the latest version. I have the Duclos version in a PL mount, so I cant use it on the C300. I can have them change the mount to an EF for about $250.00. Tamron 17-50 VC is also one to look at if you want to save some cash. The RED Pro Zoom 17-50 is supposedly a rehoused Tamron 17-50 non-VC. I loved the RED Pro Zoom on my AF-100.
Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM
The Sigma 18-35 is the new kid on the block, and it’s getting great reviews. I finally got my copy, and I love this Sigma! It’s super sharp throughout the range, and the Sigma 18-35 is the fastest zoom lens ever made at 1.8, and it’s constant throughout the entire range. Amazing! Very tough to get this one since it’s back-ordered due to it being very popular. The lens sells for $799. Great price for a fast zoom, so I had to order one.
After waiting for over a month, the lens has finally arrived. Here are my first impressions unboxing video.
Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM
I’m adding the Canon 24-70 f2.8 since it’s the most popular zoom lens ever, and for a good reason. It’s amazing! Why it’s not available yet with IS is strange. Rumors have it that we could see an IS version soon. I keep hearing Sigma is going to make a version with IS as well. The 24-70 F2,8 is a wedding/photojournalist workhorse. Super sharp and high IQ. It’s heavy but yields amazing images. The downside is the price. $2089.00. Ouch! I would wait it out for the IS version if you don’t need one today.
Tamron SP 24-70mm Di VC USD
Tamron SP 24-70 DI VC USD. (Such a catchy name, right?) This Tamron lens is high on my want list. Gets great reviews all around. It’s a good choice if you can’t afford the Canon version and need image stabilization that Canon doesn’t have. It’s still an expensive zoom lens costing $1300. Great for handheld video shooting. If you are primarily a video shooter, image stabilization is a must and should be considered a priority when looking for a zoom lens making the Tamron an excellent choice.
Canon EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye USM
I want to try this crazy lens out. The Canon EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye USM delivers 180 diagonal angle of view images for full-frame EOS SLR cameras. Since it’s a fisheye, I wouldn’t use it very much, but I have a similar lens for my GH3/AF-100. The Panasonic 7-14mm f/4.0 Micro Four Thirds. It’s a very fun lens to use, and since it’s native, it’s even wider than this one is on the C100 and C300. That’s it. I’m going to rent one!
Prime Lenses
Suppose you fancy the sharper and faster variety; then you’re a prime guy! I like several, and yes, they’re Canon L brands. However, Zeiss ZE is also a great choice. The ZE or newer ZE.2 are manual lenses and have a very smooth focus ring. Perfect for a follow focus if you add a gear to them. The ZE and ZF line has the same optics as the CP.2 line but at a fraction of the price. Very nice build and nice and sharp. You can’t go wrong with these if you need a fast prime, but Canon would be my first choice, especially if you have a C100.
The C100 has push to focus autofocus feature that works very well. No AF on the C300 now, but it will in October with a firmware update. I do like push to focus and miss that on my C300. If you dont care for about AF, Zeiss ZE models are great lenses. Fully manual and have a silky smooth and long focus throw. I think AF and IS are more important on a zoom lens. I will grab a Canon 24-105 F4 every time I need to work fast and get more shots, so image stabilization and quick autofocus make a lot of sense. I use primes for on-camera lines and some interviews. I like having a zoom for interviews to change up the focal range for more variety.
Canon EF 35mm f/1.4L USM Wide-Angle Autofocus Lens
This is one great lens, and it’s super fast and super sharp. A heavy little bugger but is solid! The focus ring is tight, but the throw is small. This is always the case with Canon L lenses. At least the ones I have used are. Another option would be the Rokinon 35mm Cine T1.5. I have that one, well, sort of. It’s at the post office because I’m not home to sign for it. I hate that! The Rokinon retails for $549.00. Amazing price and some say it’s the best of the bunch. I soon will know.
Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM
I just received the Sigma 50mm f1.4 ART lens, and I’m in love with it! Great image quality, even wide open, and the bokeh is beautiful. Believe the hype about this lens. Sigma is really on a roll now. The Canon L is faster but also way more expensive. This Sigma has been compared to the Zeiss OTUS. That’s kind of crazy, but yes, it’s really good at a fraction of the price. If you’re interested in the ART line, then another great lens is the Sigma 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM Very popular and will match well with the 50mm.
Canon EF 50mm f/1.2L USM
I need a fast 50mm bad. I dont have a high-quality one, and I use that range a lot. Everybody needs a fast 50mm in the bag. Great for video portraits and interviews that you need a shallow depth of field look for. Interviews are so good when shot wide open. The Canon EF 50mm L has a strange love-hate relationship with many users. Users complain that it back focus in autofocus, so many shots are lost. That could be a problem for photography, but for cinema, use on the C100, C300, and 5D MKII may be less of an issue. Either way, on B&H, it’s a 5 star rated lens.
Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM
With prime lenses, it’s all about speed and sharpness. The Canon EF 85mm f/2.1L is both. This is a very popular stills lens for portrait work. I love using 85mm lenses. The Bokeh you get is just awesome. On a crop or S35 sensor, the lens is a little long roughly has the field of view of 100mm. When I was using the AF-100, I had a Zeiss ZF 85mm. Loved it! It was my favorite lens in the bag. I like Zeiss glass. Solid, sharp lenses. You can’t go wrong with them either. The mechanics are better than the Canon L lenses since they are designed as manual lenses. No autofocus. The Nikon is popular with cine shooters because the aperture control is also manual. The Canon mount uses the electronics of the camera to change the aperture. Also, Nikon focus the other way. Why? I have no idea. Zeiss ZE Lenses are a good choice. They are a little cheaper but not by that much.
Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L IS USM Macro
I have lusted for the Canon EF 100mm macro for many years and still don’t own one. I have used it several times, and it’s an amazing lens for portraits or interviews. Even product shots look great with macro. Speaking of macro, the 100mm is probably the best lens for macro work. It gets you a little farther away, so you don’t have to be on top of the subject, and you avoid getting in the way of the lighting. The tough one is you have to have space to get a nice framing with the s35 sensor or a 7D cropped sensor camera. It’s super sharp, wide open, and the compressed backgrounds look amazing. I have to buy one, but should I get a IS version? They cost $1049 with image stabilization, or you can save a lot by buying the non-L version for $549. Half the price. Tough call.
Cine Lenses
Cine lenses offer the best all-around experience for filmmaking. The focus has a nice long throw, and silky smooth for precise focusing with a follow focus. The iris is also de-clicked and smooth. Most cine lenses have precise markings, making focusing more accurate if you measure from the camera to the subject. All these features add up to a costly lens. The Zeiss CP.2 cost $4000 each and go up from there.
Zeiss CP.2 EF Mount
The Zeiss CP.2 line is the least expensive cine lens available. They use the same optics found in their ZF and ZE stills lenses but are hand-picked, so they are optically the best of the bunch. I have the 85mm, and it’s a nice lens. I like the look of Zeiss lenses. Sharp with nice contrast. The big plus for the CP.2 line is the interchangeable mount. Five different mounts are available (PL, EF, F, E, and MFT mount). These lenses will move nicely with new cameras in the future. If you can swing the price, it’s a home run.
Canon Cinema Primes
These are the new kids on the block, and they are getting lots of attention. I first saw them at NAB 21012, and they look nice. I since have had the opportunity to try the 24mm and 85mm out for a week. Check out my hands-on review here. At NAB, I couldn’t touch the primes, but I did get to play around with Canon 30-300 on an Arri Alexa. So cool. The downside for some people might be that the mount is only available in an EF for the primes. The big zooms are PL. More focal lengths are coming to make a complete set this year. The 50mm cost $4950, which for a cine lens is very competitive. I’m going to get my hands on the Cinema Zooms as well very soon. Stay tuned!
I hope someday I can rent a set of Cooke Cine Primes. They have a pretty big reputation and the renowned COOKE LOOK I just want to see.
Now the real value lens is…..
Rokinon Cine Lenses
The new Rokinon cine lenses are taking off big time. I recently purchased the 35mm because I liked the 85mm so much. These are nice lenses. I’m still testing it out and working on a review that will be coming out soon. Word is the 35mm is the best of the bunch. The 24mm is getting mixed reviews on sharpness.
The set is 8mm T3.8, 14mm T3.1, 24mm T1.5, 35mm T1.5, and 85mm T1.5; no 50mm yet, but I’m sure they will make one soon. These are still lenses that have de-clicked aperture and added dampening for smooth iris adjustments and gears for follow focus. They are a great deal and, for the most part, fast lenses. The 85mm retails for $350. Crazy! Check out this article. I’m working on comparing the Zeiss 85mm CP.2 to the Rokinon Cine 85mm.
I barely scratched the surface with these selections, but you can’t go wrong with any of them. Do your research and find the best lenses you can afford, but remember that lenses out last any camera you will buy, so get good ones. I think it’s worth it!
I’ll add more lenses in the near future. I have already updated this post five times!
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Erik, thanks for this great overview. Do you have vignetting problems with the Sigma 18-35, as it´s an APS-C lens and the C100/C300 sensor is slightly wider..?
Cheers,
Abo Jassin
Abo.
I’ve been waiting for over a month and my copy, and it will be here Monday night. I haven’t seen any issues with vignetting yet on the web. The Cinema EOS cameras have a setting for APS-C lenses however most people that use those lenses don’t seem to have issues at all when they don’t change the setting.
The RED folks are also loving this lens on Epic cameras.
When I get the lens I will do a hands on review. More to come……
Hi, thanks for sharing ; )
You talk about a dust collecting 2,8/17-55 Canon Zoom. It seems the problem is solved when attaching a filter to it.
This lens 2,8/17-55 with the canon c100 is a wonderful set.
Wanted to Add one that I am enjoying with my C100- I recently got a Sigma 50-150 2.8. It goes so well with the C100… nearly a true 70-200 for it. I love it because its still useable at live events at the wider end… more so than a 70-200 lens… anyway, thats my 2 cents.
Thanks Dale. I haven’t used the Sigma before and after you mentioned it I checked it out at B&H. 5 stars! 80-240mm (equivalent) Lens for APS-C cameras. I should rent it. Looks great plus has IS. I wouldn’t want non-IS lenses in this range. Thanks!
Hey do you have any test shots with the canon zoom fisheye on the c100/c300?
I don’t sorry. I like the Tokina 11-16 a lot. It’s a APS-C lens and gives you a very wide field of view. I have the Duclos Cine Mod version with EF mount.
http://www.ducloslenses.com/collections/duclos-1/products/duclos-11-16mm
Check it out.
Have you tested the Sigma Art 50mm prime lens on the C100, or come across any reviews of this combo?
Not yet, but I have it on pre order. Cant wait to get it!
Hi eric! big fan of your videos.
I’m allways been in love with the tamron 24-70 2.8.
Stabilizer is good, it’s sharp, affordable and an all terrain lens. It has been my workhores for 2 years. I used with the 5d 2 & 3.
Before upgrade to a c100 (thaks a lot for your c100 reviews) i’ve seen a guy using the tamron on this camera.
what a surprise when i put in on and it works fine… for a few shots. After this AF don’t work any more. I’ve changed the lens, and restart the camera, remove batery.. all this things. Works a few seconds, and stops again. Big pain in the ass.
So if you know any solution, i think this will be a one of the greatest lens for our camera. If not, don’t waste you money.
This issue is the first I’ve heard. Bummer. How does it work with a Canon DSLR? Can the firmware on the Tamron be updated?
Hi Erik. The tamron AF works well, smooth & quick in every DSLR i’ve tried. Even in the C100 works fine. A few times. Then, the AF square turns red and the AF stop working. If the shot is no run & gun, the af is not in continuous mode and you push the af button from time to time you can keep working for on or two minutes.
I did the upgrade to a C100 because of the dual pixel AF. But I love so much this glass that i’m considering keep it and use it on manual when it is possible.
But there is an other issue. There is a strange phenomenon. Yo can see this video from youtube. It appears at 4.11. It’s subtile. It only happen to me one time, and it can ruin the shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnwAatxGwhw
To me it was happened one time, and was a test shot. But it can be a big problem if you only hace one chante to do the shot.
I’m wainting for a tamron reply. If you want, i will send to you. Right now i don’t know haw can i can update the tamron’s firmware.
I hope the upcoming C100 firmware upgrade could fix it. By the way, i saw in the C100 menu, the camera don’t have the lens data. Do you know how to load the LENS firmware to the C100?
Thanks for your time and for the video of the zacuto viewfinder’s trick. useful.
Ah, and for me the DualPixel upgrade is a gift from the gods. It’s not perfect, but it can save your ass. A few times. Per day 😉
greetings from spain!
Hi Erik! Another AF issue: this time with the new SIGMA 18-35mm f1.8 It only works at f1.9 if yo put any different F it stops working at any focal distance. if you go back to 1.8 start working again… it’s an amazing lens but you should know this.
concerning the AF problem with the Dual Pixel upgrade
I went to a local Henry’s store here in Toronto and we went through a bunch of Sigma and Tamron lenses. Every single Sigma lens seems to work on the widest aperture but when stopped down immediately stops autofocusing – every time. Don’t think we got any of the Tamron lenses to work at all.
I settled on the 15-85 EFS IS lens as the ‘best overall’ 1-lens setup for the C100. It has a near silent fast zoom, and is near tack sharp at all focal lengths according to SLRGEAR.com – and has a better focal length range than the 24-105L that I use on my 5D.
I don’t mind the 3.5-5.6 variable aperture as I generally pick an aperture to work with. I further decided on this lens as these were sold as 7D and 70D kit lenses and you can pick up a brand new lens / hardly used for $400.
My other candidate was a 16-35 F4 IS but the 15-85 3.5 – 5.6 EFS IS lens is 1/3rd the price and is still F4 near the top end of the 15-35 range (just switches to F 4.5)
Thank you for the post.
I was wondering if the continues auto focus would work with the lenses you mentioned above.
Dear Erik,
I have a very specific question that you may be able to answer based on your vast experiences with the C100. When using the new dual pixel AF with the Sigma 18-35 I noticed that my shotgun mic picked up all the sound of the auto focus motor of my Sigma. Is that normal? I guess that would make autofocus for interview situations impossible, e.g. when you have a speaker who is moving back and forth a lot. It is not a big issue, but I just wonder whether you noticed the auto focus motor on any of your recordings with the new dual pixel AF?
All the best and keep up the good work!
Andreas
26 October 2014
Nottingham, UK
Hi Andres.
Don’t use the onboard mic for audio. it’s not good enough. Use a radio mic/wireless on the speaker. I use a RODE NTG 2 as my shotgun in the holder and it wont pickup the camera noise.
Best.
Erik
All the full frame lens you out will have a crop factor right?
Yes. If used on a S35 or APS-C camera you will have the crop factor.
Erik, great article, and good summary, if only money were no object, huh!? 🙂